Yes, I sold MindVision & eSellerate to Digital River
Yes, it’s true that I said I’d never sell to DR. In fact, I was quite adamant when I said that. What has changed since I said that are many things. What has not changed is my loyalty to my employees or the customers of esellerate. I have always tried to provide the best environment I could for my employees- a place where they could feel at home, where they could make a different, where they had a vested interest in the success of the team, where they could make good money, and finally, a place where they could grow. It’s this last item that is important to talk about. We made a decision some time ago to focus on improving ourselves, our services, and our value to our customers. There has not been the need to hire more people, and so there hasn’t been much of a chance for employees to “move up” in the company. Many of the employees are happy with the jobs they have, but some want bigger challenges. This is not something I have been able to provide in a way which can satisfy the “hunger” of these employees. I’ve been very fortunate that these employees have chosen to stay at esellerate, even though they want more. I believe it’s a testament to the strength of the culture and the team. Another item is, of course, money. I believe everyone at esellerate is paid fairly, but I want to provide more for the employees. I want to provide long term financial security. I looked at the next several years of esellerate’s financial picture and determined that it would be better financially for the employees if we could sell the company to the right company for the right price. This is what got me started on looking for a partner. Sure, I could have just put more cash into the company and paid the employees big bonuses, but that would have ended up meaning the company was operating at a loss. Who wants to look at the bottom line and see a loss? It’s de-motivating for the employees. Another concern I had was that we were not able to keep up with DR in providing value to our customers. I believe that we provided better customer service, but what seems to be more important is money. DR has a huge affiliate network and huge marketing channels. Every year they convinced more and more publishers to sign up with them in order to be in their affiliate network. We worked hard to build our own network, opting for quality over quantity, but I don’t believe we were able to keep up and offer our customers more value for affiliate sales channels. This was also an important factor in my decision to look for a buyer- I wanted someone who would be able to bring more marketing channels to out publishers so we could offer more financial value to them.
I think it’s been about nine months since I hired a M&A (mergers & acquisitions) firm to start looking for buyers. At that time, DR wasn’t even a consideration. I won’t disclose who we were talking to, but there were several interested parties. Our M&A firm felt we should take a look at DR to see what kind of offer they could make. I don’t think it’s a secret that we’ve talked to the DR folks many times in the past- people have seen me talking to Joel Ronning and Alex Dansberger many times at conferences. They talked about parameters of a deal that ended up not being interesting to me, so we never did anything with them. This time, however, they took the time to figure out what esellerate offers to its customers and to its employees, and they put together an offer that was very interesting and took into consideration all the things that we feel are important. I could have probably gotten a little more money with someone else, but I felt DR was the best overall choice. They have a huge affiliate network that our customers can use. We have lost customers to DR because those customers felt DR’s marketing options were worth putting up with the other things the customer didn’t like about them. Now our customers can have the best of both worlds- they can stay with us AND have access to DR’s marketing options. It’s a win-win for our customers. For the employees, I believe it’s better in almost all respects. Now that we don’t have to spend so much energy competing with DR, we can spend that energy on improving the esellerate offering and leveraging DR’s strengths. Employees will have more options in jobs- some have expressed interest in working for DR in other countries. That is something I have never been able to offer. Sure, there is some additional uncertainty for the employees because of all the things happening at the moment, but things will calm down and everyone will start to relax again and they can stay focused on their work. I’m not going to disclose details of what the employees got out of the deal, but I believe they all received far more than they thought they would receive. I absolutely, positively believe that the employees are the reason I was able to negotiate a deal to sell the company. They are the ones who have worked very hard to build the value of the company. It is only fair that they share in the financial rewards of selling the company. I believe that virtually all of them will stay at DR and work just as hard as they have been. Esellerate is still a team. It’s still a small group of people who believe they can make a difference. What’s new is that they have many more tools available with which to make that difference. In today’s world, nothing is guaranteed. The terms of this deal are no exception. I do believe that DR has an incentive to keep the company in Nebraska and to keep the employees around. They bought the company because we have been successful. They are smart enough to understand not to mess too much with things. I will be involved in various ways, but I’m not sure of the details. My life has changed dramatically since I stepped down from esellerate. I’m now married and have two kids and I’m quite involved with local charities, so I do not have the same amount of time or energy to dedicate to work as I used to have. I am excited about the possibilities for esellerate and I’m excited about what I can offer to DR, so I hope that things work out in way where I can be of value to them and keep a balanced life with my family. I also know how hard it is for someone like me, who is used to being able to do whatever he wants, to fit into a company of over 1000 people. Being an employee is not right for me. But that doesn’t mean I can’t contribute my skills to DR in other ways.
As you can probably tell, I’m not as outspoken as I used to be. There is a simple reason for this. When I owned esellerate, I could say whatever I wanted because the consequences fell on my shoulders. In selling my company to DR, I have to be respectful of them and the fact that they are a publicly-traded company. I need to keep certain things confidential, and therefore I can’t tell you all the details of the deal and what will transpire in the near future. But I do believe that this deal will result in better value for esellerate’s customers and a better life for esellerate’s employees (I will very much miss calling them “my” employees). I know I’ve probably lost quite a bit of credibility with everyone since I broke my promise of never selling esellerate to DR, but I believe in my heart that this is a better long term future for the customers and the employees. All I can ask is for everyone to decide if they agree and to stick with esellerate if they do. In closing, I want to publicly thank everyone at esellerate for all their hard work, dedication, trust, and loyalty. They will always be my family.
I think it’s been about nine months since I hired a M&A (mergers & acquisitions) firm to start looking for buyers. At that time, DR wasn’t even a consideration. I won’t disclose who we were talking to, but there were several interested parties. Our M&A firm felt we should take a look at DR to see what kind of offer they could make. I don’t think it’s a secret that we’ve talked to the DR folks many times in the past- people have seen me talking to Joel Ronning and Alex Dansberger many times at conferences. They talked about parameters of a deal that ended up not being interesting to me, so we never did anything with them. This time, however, they took the time to figure out what esellerate offers to its customers and to its employees, and they put together an offer that was very interesting and took into consideration all the things that we feel are important. I could have probably gotten a little more money with someone else, but I felt DR was the best overall choice. They have a huge affiliate network that our customers can use. We have lost customers to DR because those customers felt DR’s marketing options were worth putting up with the other things the customer didn’t like about them. Now our customers can have the best of both worlds- they can stay with us AND have access to DR’s marketing options. It’s a win-win for our customers. For the employees, I believe it’s better in almost all respects. Now that we don’t have to spend so much energy competing with DR, we can spend that energy on improving the esellerate offering and leveraging DR’s strengths. Employees will have more options in jobs- some have expressed interest in working for DR in other countries. That is something I have never been able to offer. Sure, there is some additional uncertainty for the employees because of all the things happening at the moment, but things will calm down and everyone will start to relax again and they can stay focused on their work. I’m not going to disclose details of what the employees got out of the deal, but I believe they all received far more than they thought they would receive. I absolutely, positively believe that the employees are the reason I was able to negotiate a deal to sell the company. They are the ones who have worked very hard to build the value of the company. It is only fair that they share in the financial rewards of selling the company. I believe that virtually all of them will stay at DR and work just as hard as they have been. Esellerate is still a team. It’s still a small group of people who believe they can make a difference. What’s new is that they have many more tools available with which to make that difference. In today’s world, nothing is guaranteed. The terms of this deal are no exception. I do believe that DR has an incentive to keep the company in Nebraska and to keep the employees around. They bought the company because we have been successful. They are smart enough to understand not to mess too much with things. I will be involved in various ways, but I’m not sure of the details. My life has changed dramatically since I stepped down from esellerate. I’m now married and have two kids and I’m quite involved with local charities, so I do not have the same amount of time or energy to dedicate to work as I used to have. I am excited about the possibilities for esellerate and I’m excited about what I can offer to DR, so I hope that things work out in way where I can be of value to them and keep a balanced life with my family. I also know how hard it is for someone like me, who is used to being able to do whatever he wants, to fit into a company of over 1000 people. Being an employee is not right for me. But that doesn’t mean I can’t contribute my skills to DR in other ways.
As you can probably tell, I’m not as outspoken as I used to be. There is a simple reason for this. When I owned esellerate, I could say whatever I wanted because the consequences fell on my shoulders. In selling my company to DR, I have to be respectful of them and the fact that they are a publicly-traded company. I need to keep certain things confidential, and therefore I can’t tell you all the details of the deal and what will transpire in the near future. But I do believe that this deal will result in better value for esellerate’s customers and a better life for esellerate’s employees (I will very much miss calling them “my” employees). I know I’ve probably lost quite a bit of credibility with everyone since I broke my promise of never selling esellerate to DR, but I believe in my heart that this is a better long term future for the customers and the employees. All I can ask is for everyone to decide if they agree and to stick with esellerate if they do. In closing, I want to publicly thank everyone at esellerate for all their hard work, dedication, trust, and loyalty. They will always be my family.


19 Comments:
Best of luck Steve. When I looked into your eyes and you said that you wouldn't sell to DR I believed you, and I believe you now when you say that you feel you did the right thing and that your employees did okay in the deal. Sometimes its not about the money. That was what I believe was your intent behind your initial statement. While you did sell, I truly believe that your motivation was not the money.
I know you are involved in other ventures and I wish you well on the paths you have chosen.
Sharon Housley
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Anonymous, at 4:22 PM
Thanks for explaining this Steve. I was puzzled since, in the past, you had been so adamant that you would NEVER sell out to DR.
Your reasoning makes good sense. Your are under no obligation to abide by a previous decision. In life, we all learn and grow and circumstances change.
I applaud your willingness to reconsider your previous position.
Best of luck and hope to continue to see you around at industry events.
Art Araya
Salty Brine Software
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Anonymous, at 4:40 PM
Even if he had sold it for the money, who are we to tell him to do or not do something with what is clearly his. So he said he wouldn't sell to DR, so he could have changed his mind. Does it matter?
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Anonymous, at 5:43 PM
"Sure, I could have just put more cash into the company and paid the employees big bonuses, but that would have ended up meaning the company was operating at a loss. Who wants to look at the bottom line and see a loss? It’s de-motivating for the employees."
Jesus Christ himself didn't have your generosity and commitment toward others. God bless you, whoever you are!
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Anonymous, at 8:34 PM
"As you can probably tell, I’m not as outspoken as I used to be."
How long would this post have been back when you were outspoken?
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Anonymous, at 8:41 PM
"I wanted someone who would be able to bring more marketing channels to out publishers so we could offer more financial value to them."
As a gay software publisher that uses eSellerate, I'd prefer that you don't out me. You promised me that information would be confidential.
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Anonymous, at 8:56 PM
"In today’s world, nothing is guaranteed."
You've proven that!
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Anonymous, at 8:57 PM
dirka dirka
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Anonymous, at 9:07 PM
"Yes, it’s true that I said I’d never sell to DR. In fact, I was quite adamant when I said that."
Yes, you were. I am disappointed but not fully surprised as I've long suspected that everyone has a price.
Welcome to your new credibility status.
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Anonymous, at 12:48 AM
sell out
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Anonymous, at 1:39 PM
The fortitude of all posters is directly related to their ability to post as themselves.
What are you people afraid of? People finding out how small you really are? Being held to your own words so that you, too, are held accountable for the rest of your days to standby some statement formulated in different times, under different circumstances?
Try standing on your own two feet as an adult and keep the childish shots to yourself. If you want a debate about something, post using your name and stand up for yourself, or be judged as the weak-minded mental midget you probably are.
Ben Rush
http://www.ben-rush.net/blog
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Anonymous, at 11:05 AM
Good comments, Ben Rush! As one of those who mocked this guy for his misplaced egocentrism, I'm laid so low by your blows. My fortitude is, indeed, related directly related to my ability to post as myself, but I just can't! I can't! I'm not up to it. If I were have the man this guy is, I might be able to, but alas, I am only probably a weak-minded mental midget (ooh, that smarts!).
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Anonymous, at 2:53 PM
I only met Steve very briefly, but I've also met, talked with, and worked with various other people from eSellerate. They've never been anything but completely straightforward and honest with me, and I have to believe that's a direct result of Steve's approach and personality.
So yes, I believe his reasons for selling eSellerate. In addition to the above, what he wrote makes a lot of sense. It's very hard to compete with a much bigger company, and you can't do anything for your customers or your employees if you're not enough of a presence. The whole software market is hugely different now than it was 2 years ago.
And I don't see that he has any obligation to anyone but himself in this decision - either in what he decides or whether he explains his decison. It's nice that he did. Given the response, it's a lot more than I'd do in the same circumstances.
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Ellen, at 12:48 PM
To those of you poo pooing Steves sale of eSellerate don't know what kind of person Steve is. He's the most generous person I know. Can you name another owner who gave a large chunk of the profit from the sale of his company to the employees? I know many of the workers at eSellerate, they work hard, give great service to their customers and want their company to be successful. Knowing them, I doubt any of that will change. I believe that philosophy came from the top (Steve). Those who don't care will take their money and bail. Enough said!
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Danny, at 8:15 AM
Steve, congratulations on the sale to DR, to you and everyone at eSellerate.
I've been very satisfied using eSellerate to handle my sales and have to say I was taken a little aback when I received the e-mail regarding the sale.
I just hope that everything continues as it is, and we don't loose any of the services we've come to rely on. I guess we'll just have to wait and see and keep our fingers crossed. :)
Neville Franks, http://www.surfulater.com
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Neville Franks, at 5:29 AM
Well I believe also that Steve's motives are largely beyond reproach and perhaps that is the only topic for discussion here. But I would have to question the future of esellerate with DR in charge... in fact the whole future of shareware. This more or less completes their acquisition of the major players, so now we may see phase two of what they REALLY have in mind in their long range plan. Anyone who seriously believes that everything will just continue as "business as usual" in the years to come is hopelessly naive, I suspect.
Certainly there is a PHASE TWO.... and we can all be pretty sure than no one on this from including Steve has much of a clue of what that might be. DR has done some pretty questionable marketing ploys over the years from an ethical point of view... and this continues right up to the present day. If you are on their mailing list you may be well aware of this.
But moreover, they bought Regsoft, Charles Zino stuck it out a while, and then gave up... and it's not much more than a shell today. One HAS to wonder how long DR will leave them in this depleted state before there merely port all those clients over to one of their other resellers. Same with some of their other acquisitions. RegNow has clearly been their primary e-comm channel outside of DR proper... the question is now what? Two primary channels? Or is esellerate destined to become another RegSoft?
No one here can answer that so maybe the question is irrelevant in this forum, but I'm sure many of the folks in the shareware world are asking these same questions and waiting with bated breath to see what happens next.
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Anonymous, at 4:11 PM
Power corrupts, and Digital River now has almost all the power in this space.
Share-it's new pricing model is a harbinger of this -- they try to shove "Extended Download" protection down the customer's throat on an opt-out basis. Great profit for ShareIt, but it pisses off customers and costs sales for the developer. They could have avoided all this by making it opt-in, but the bean-counters at DR got a little too greedy. Why? Because they could.
I'm sure we can expect something similar at eSellerate.
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Anonymous, at 10:22 AM
I'm sorry, but you're a fool.
Digital River is a highly, highly, highly suspect organization. You've added to the doom and gloom within the shareware industry with this move.
But perhaps you can fill your new swimming pool with cash and put it out of your mind, eh?
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Anonymous, at 7:40 PM
My my how nice to have a pool of shills who in cue come in to congratulate you for showing "heroism" in betraying everyone. How nice indeed.
Steve Kiene: you're obviously interested in public opinion - obviously you wouldn't have this ridiculous blog otherwise.
So be it known: there are people out there not necessarily insignificant in number who SEE THROUGH your BS and see you for "what" you really are.
And it ain't pretty, dude.
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Anonymous, at 2:59 PM
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